Rodney (Rod) Hayes

Judy, that's great, your Husband following the pony's.  When your horse makes that turn for the stretch and he's in the hunt, it's quite a rush.  We have a class I track just a few miles from us, so we go a few times.  They have two seasons.  The Thoroughbreds, a break, and then the Quarter Horses.  Quarter Horses are harder to pick, but they're fun to watch.  It's like watching a drag race, only instead fof two cars, you have 5 or six horses.  I remember I used to live right behind you and I used to run with the Shoup's now and then.  I always thought it a little strange to have two sets of twins that didn't really look just alike.  Larry & Terry, and Roger & Judy.  They used to really do their house up at Halloween.  Didn't you also have a brother somewhat older than us?

Steve, & Jack, you're right, a tip is just a tip.  But I cashed my ticket Sat., CASH in hand baby.  At 5% you would have to charge $5,000.00, and at 1%, you would have to charge $25,000.00, just to get what I have in my pocket NOW.  Jack, you say give them just another 1/16. Well, that's like winning the mile one week, and then losing in the half mile the next week.  But, if you would have had 100 more yards, it would be different.  As I told you, Mucho Macho Man just can't get that win.  Concealed Identity was a longshot.  I said, if Astrology got out quick, (which he did), he would not win, but would be in the mix, as he was.  Shackleford was the horse to beat, as I said, Steve.  Animal Kingdom did just what I thought. These were sprinters, and he waited to long to make a move.  That got him tied up in traffic and he had to run too hard when he got an opening.  The Derby pace was very slow for that race.  I think the Preakness pace surprised Animal Kingdom and he just didn't make the adjustment quick enough.  Next up, The Belmont Stakes.  The long race.  Depending on the other entries, Animal Kingdom should be a lock to be the favorite.

Milan Jackson

Roger Shoup and I got to be good friends after we became adults. He was in my wedding. We played slow pitch softball together for years. I saw him one time make an umpire cry. This umpire was a former ball player at BHS several years after we went there. Very unbecoming for a local sports figure to cry. Roger never hit him but the fear was certainly there. Roger is a great guy. Not advisable to cross him though. (laugh)

Milan Jackson

This is a message from Kathy Rockwell:

I recently had breakfast with Ann Bailen, Cheryl Turner, Judy Tynan, Marsha Hutson and Sandra Hammond, among others, at Shannon's. I was in town to see family and attend a graduation. It was great to see classmates and they all looked soooooooooooo good. Then, I ran into Annie Shields at Kohl's. She recognized me after all these years. Nice surprise! Earlier in the week, I had lunch and dinner with Nancy Whiteman and Marty Rodwell. We get together about once a year. Dear friends for 50 years! Can you believe we are Medicare recipients this year? 1964 seems like yeaterday.
This forum is wonderful to renew friendships, travel down memory lane and find out what's happening in the lives of the people you don't see much. I moved away after graduation and really lost touch with so many people. This is a gift. Thanks!
 

Kathy Rockwell Mitchell

Jack Habich

Rod, I realize that you can't go back and add 100 yards to a race.  Shackleford came out fast and held on.  Like you called it, it was a sprint.  Based on your great advice, I told people Shack would win.  It's just that I'm riveted when a horse like Animal Kingdom has that late surge, making up a long  distance deficit, and leaving other fast horses in the dust.

I know that strategy is a major part of sports such as horseracing, long distance track and field, and car racing.  That's why jockeys and trainers are important.  Still, it bothers me to see a star horse (or a runner or a driver) boxed in so it can't do it's stuff.  That's why I like the 100 yard dash in track.  One guy, one lane, no excuses.

Let me ask you a question that's as hypothetical as adding 100 yards to a race.  If only Animal Kingdom and Schackleford were racing the Preakness distance, who would you bet? 

Judith (Judy) McLean (Wilder)

Rod,

Yes we really like horse racing...we used to go up to Moline to Quad City Downs alot until they closed it.  Those were harness horses so a few more things to consider when trying to pick them.  We have some good friends here in Washington, IL who have harness horses so now have to race at the tracks in Chicago.  Whitey (my husband) goes to Arlington about once a year and used to go to the off track quite abit before they closed the one in Peoria.  Now the closest is in Bloomington so not quite as easy to get there.  Unfortunately he talked himself into wheeling Animal Kingdom on top with Shackleford and a couple other horses so he didn't cash a ticket in the Preakness.  Maybe the Belmont will be his race because he didn't do well in the Derby either.

We had alot of fun living in our neighborshood with the four Shoups and Ed Burwitz, Jerry Jones and Pat Edwards and her sister Katie and brother Charles.  I actually have two brothers, my older brother Chuck graduated in '60 and my younger brother Ken graduated in '67.  Our neighbors were all sort of like family because four families were widows with children in the neighborhood so all the moms watched out for each others children.  When the Shoups moved in the early '50's their father had just passed away then in "57 my father died.  A few years later Jerry Jones lost his father and a few years after that Pat Edwards father died.  Our mothers where all pretty close. 

Milan,

I know that Roger Shoup can probably scare people but he was really just a marshmallow at heart!  I sat next to him one year in typing class and if I had already messed up my timed writing I would reach over and hit the return button on his machine and mess his up too.  He would act like he was really mad but I knew that he really wasn't.  Wait, maybe it was because I was their ride to school.  I just loved Roger he was my favorite Shoup boy even though they were all very nice guys.  Terry was the best looking but Roger was a close second!!!!  Do you stay in touch with him?  I haven't seen him since my mother passed away in 1998. 

Milan Jackson

Roger and I are friends on Facebook but I rarely use Facebook. We lost touch when he married and moved south. Roger was always our designated driver. He didn't drink booze. A truly great guy and a good friend.

Milan Jackson

Happy Birthday Judy Young Zawislak !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

Milan Jackson

I received this from a friend. I hadn't seen it but I have to share it with everyone I can. Here we are between Armed Forces Day and Memorial Day. If you haven't seen this site, you should. Click on a state and scroll down. If you haven't been to the wall, never pass up the chance to see it.

http://www.virtualwall.org/iStates.htm

Helen Nicolaysen (Thompson)

 Milan, thanks for sharing the Moving Wall.  We saw the replica when it came to Colorado Springs and located Terrance Bozarth, but I wasn't able to locate his name on the wall.  That alarms me because I know he was killed in Vietnam.  He went to Trinity and graduated in "64" also.  Wonder what happened to his name because I traced his name when we saw it here in town.  

Rodney (Rod) Hayes

Judy,

You are right about Roger.  He could be very intimidating, but he was really just a fun loving guy who laughed all the time.  Sorry about your misfortune with the horses.  He should have took my tip to the bank.  I don't think Jetton and Habich listened either, BUT, who has the cash in hand, ba-bie.  I remember big Ed Burwitz.  He was a really nice guy.  I think he played ball for New Mexico State or U of New Mexico.  I totally forgot about Jerry Jones, but I remember one time I talked to him after HIgh School, when he was selling shoes at Gebhardts or Gerhardts.  It was in the same block as Wards.  I remember there was this REALLY tall, slinky guy with what must have been a size 20 shoe that worked there for years.  When I got a little older, I felt sorry for him.  He always seemed sad, and he had an awful time getting around.  Oh, Judy, I had relatives that lived in Sunnyland for ages.  They have passed, but my cousins still live in Washington, Il.  I'll get back to you on that.  You may know them.
 

Judith (Judy) McLean (Wilder)

Rod,

Yes let me know who your relatives are I may know them.  I've been her since 1975 and if I don't know them my daughter probably does.  Of course Patty and Ken Lehr are here in town also but haven't been her quite as long as I have.  We all go to the same church and have taken several cruises together.  I told my husband he should have taken your tip and he could have cashed a ticket or at least he should have bet a exacta and turned it around and he would have had a winner. 

Helen,

I think Terry Bozarth is listed in Kettering Ohio instead of Bloomington.  I went to the alphabetical listing and he was on there.  I'm pretty sure it's the same one because I'm sure he was a pilot or a flyer at least.  He was best friends with Marty Hauptman who I went with our senior year and for a while after we graduated.  I think that Marty is now married to Terry's widow and father to his children.  That is what someone told me years later but I don't remember who told me that.  I know that Marty lives in Ohio, Cincinnati I think.  I wasn't thinking about Terry when I went on to see the names I was looking for Tommy Hoeniges who was in that same class.  Tommy was a close friend of our family and I was at his funeral.  It was pretty sad...only had a few more days and he would have been coming home. 

Rodney (Rod) Hayes

Jack,

You would love the Quarter horses.  Other than a few races with one turn, it's 5, 6, 7, etc. horses out of the gate straight ahead and may the fastest one win.  Some don't like that type of race, but like you, I do.  They're harder to pick, but the rush is constant from opening of the gate to the finish.

You strike a very interesting question as far as Animal Kingdom & Shackleford, one on one.  You know back in the day, a lot of money people and horse racing people used to do a lot of this.  Anyway, I would take Animal Kingdom in the Derby, (as I did), in the Preakness, and the Belmont Stakes, (as I most likely will), if it were one on one.  Now don't get me wrong.  I'm not a qualified handicapper, but I think I may know a little more than Joe on the street.  First of all, when you take the other horses out of the picture, you also eliminate a good portion of the Jockey's strategy.  He and his ability as a Jockey often plays a big part.  Here is how I feel, and why I think Animal Kingdom always wins these (3) races one on one.  They are both good horses.  Neither compares to some of greats of the past.  They both like to run.  Of the two, Animal Kingdom is a true race horse,  Shackleford is a runner, a sprinter.  Animal Kingdom loves to run and thrills at beating other horses.  As you would say, if the Derby was another 1/16, Animal Kingdom would have won even worse.  In the Preakness, the Jock got fooled a little, and put himself in a position where he just needed a longer race to recover.  Don't knock Shackleford though.  He may have had more left than you think, because he is a sprinter.  Animal Kingdom just loves to run and he always runs smooth, without a lot of strain.  He's had a long Spring season, so he will have to be rested and ready for the Belmont.  If, he goes to the Belmont, and if, no other entries look impressive , (most likely not), and the Jock rides a smart race, Animal Kingdom could make it a no brainer for the WIN.  With this being a long race, I don't think gate position will be an issue for him.  Of course, I could be wrong, but I think he will lay back, then glide past horses, and then sprint them all to death.  He loves running and he loves winning.  Most people don't think so, but good race horses know when they win.

Helen Nicolaysen (Thompson)

 Judy, I did see the Bozarth in Kettering, but thought Terry's middle name was Lee.  You are right that he and Marty were best friends though.  I ran around with that group of people from Trinity.  I actually dated Marty at one time also.  Guess I had forgotten that you dated him for a while too.  I know he dated Debbie Brown for a while.  He was Debbie's "SPECIAL" High School sweetheart.  In fact I collected money for Terry's funeral and Debbie came to my house to give me a contribution.  I thought Terry was inlisted, but would have needed to be an officer to fly!  WOW!  I knew he was from another place other than Bloomington because Debbie and I visited him when he had Mono and lived off of Hanna street in Bloomington.  I'm thinking that subdivision was called Meadowbrook behind Eureka Williams????  Or was it called Admiril???  I've lived in Colorado for 32 years so am really reaching in the back of my brain to remember.  Anyway, thanks for the information.  I often wondered what happened to Marty.  He was a nice guy from what I'm rememberiing.

Judy Tynan (Danielson)

Milan,

I was snooping on Class of 63 website and saw that you wished Corky Lane Greene a Happy Birthday, which I do but she graduated in 64, I know cause Charles Ridenour was not going to let us graduate because we had a incomplete in his class but being the nice guy he was he kept it to himself and we got out diplomas.   He's such a great guy.

Happy Birthday Corky and glad you are alright.

Milan Jackson

Corky went through most years with the class of 63. I think she and Pete married while she was still in school and she missed a year and finished up in 1964. She is a member of the 63 site so I posted it where she would see it. I actually should have posted it in both site. Good point.

Jack Habich

Rod,

I wondered for years if the winning horse knew it won, and came to the conclusion that, yes, a top horse instinctively want to be at the head of the pack.  On the flip side, does the last horse develop a poor self image, lol.?

Rodney (Rod) Hayes

Jack,

I'd have to say that a horse, even a race horse may or may not have a self image.  Since Mr. ED is  gone, I'm not sure if there are any talking horses around.  Horses that keep losing know they are in a race, after all, they're bred to run.   But, when it's over, they go right to the barn for the rub down.  The day is over.  I can tell you this.  When the 3 year old season is over, the people with the real heartburn, are the owners.  Realilty sets in and they have many choices.  First they have to set down with the trainer and listen to he or she.  The trainer is the gateway to what is next.  Anybody with a lot of money can own a horse.  The trainer is the key.  Some owners get new trainers, some listen, some don't.  Since some owners have all the money, they also think they know all about racing a horse.  Aren't you glad we don't have this problem.  It's a tough choice because even though these horses aren't winning or even showing, they are still some of the best of all the 3 year olds out there.  So, owners can sell and cut your losses.  Put him out to graze.  See if there is any interest among the horse people to breed him.  Then, if the horse is still in good running shape, they will rest him.  Then they can go to smaller tracks and give the horse a carrer that could get some of their money back.  Some will even mature and be better, and some will never make it.  I'd love to be an owner, but it just isn't going to happen, unless I win the Lotto.  I don't think the average Joe thinks much about it, but if you want to get into ownership of a good race horse, you better have a minimum and I mean a very minimum of $250,000 to just get a taste.  There are exceptions, but very few and very rarely.  If I did own a horse, it would be called Shorty's Dream, and I would go after Baffert or Zito to train it.  And Jack, remember, money won't make the horse run faster or further, but it WILL get you the people that can find out for you. 

Ed Stanfield

Rod...

Now then, lets not start up the "Mr Ed" business again... I had a hard enough time dealin with it the first time around   :)

Old Ed

Jack Habich

Jack Habich

It's befitting a dog picture made itself the cover of Steve's video.  He had a lifelong relationship with his various dogs, and the many pictures showed they understood each other. Here he is with one of his dogs in 1958, just before pushing pennies at Bent School.  

Rodney (Rod) Hayes

Ed, Your not a race horse, or in the movies.  Your a Clydesdale man.  When you enter the barn, everything goes quiet and stays that way until the clatter of your hoofs can no  longer be heard.

On a serious note, how are things going.  I really, really hope some progress is being made.  I've been doing some research to see if there is anything new out there to fight this monster.  Keep the faith my man.

Terry (Max) Maxwell

Jack... thank you so much for posting the tribute to Steve Wilson.  I didn't know what he did for a living, but I am thoroughly amazed and impressed at what he accomplished in his life.  He was obviously a true professional.  He had more talent than I could ever imagine having in the area of design.  I used to dabble in it on a random part time basis, but nowhere near being in his league.  And I love the black and white saddle shoes in the next picture.  I still have a pair in my closet.  Thanks again. 

Helen Nicolaysen (Thompson)

 Jack, thanks so much for sharing the tribute to Steve Wilson.  You're right Terry, in that I too was not aware of his many talents even though aware that he had always been artistic!  Steve IS missed and always will be!

Milan Jackson

Steve Wilson had more to do with this site than most people realize. I owe him my thanks. Bless you Steve, I know you are watching. :)

Jack Habich

I just picked up a copy of his video this weekend.  Unfortunately, neither the sound nor the sharpness of the graphics measure up to what was played on a lage monitor in church, but you get the idea.   It was only in the last couple of years that I fully realized his talents and the high level of his work.  It just wasn't in him to turn out a bad product.